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Title: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on December 05, 2009, 05:28:32 AM
Ive seen a few incomplete lists about, but is there any such thing as an official top 10? 1-3 is simple...

1. Ruapehu 2797
2. Taranaki 2518
3. Ngarauhoe 2287

Then

? Tongariro 1967 ? Do you include it as a seperate or is it a sub of Ngarauhoe?  Im inclined to say seperate
? Fanthams Peak 1962 ? Ditto question sepeartate or is it a sub of Taranaki? Doesnt seem to have a prominance next to taranaki as tongariro does against ngarauhoe (no saddle to speak of?), but then again it is named

Hikurangi 1752
Mangaweka 1731
Makaroko 1727
Kaweka J 1724

Then what?

Whanokao at 1618m?  Is there any other named peaks higher than this about?
Mitre 1571?? Umakaririkari 1591??

Anyone have any input/ sources of authority?
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on December 06, 2009, 03:12:47 PM
I guess determining what you rate as a seperate peak is really the question. This no doubt varies considerably upon your own personal point of view.

Your no.1 on the list for example, Ruapehu, actually has 12 "official" peaks alone on it (Tahurangi, Te Ataahua, Paretetaitonga, Te Heuheu, Tukino, Dome, L Peak, Pyramid, Cathedral Rocks, Glacier Knob, Mitre, Girdlestone) - and even some of these are open to interpretation as to whether they're classed as seperate peaks or not. In fact it's one of the classic alpine challenges to climb all 12 in a day by the way. I tried it once and only managed 11, so that is still on my very long to-do list!

Of course for the purpose of peak bagging, I think it's obvious that we can look on Ruapehu as a whole, and treat it as one seperate mountain with just one peak to knock off to claim it as a bag -ahh, but which one...   ;)

So if we treat Ruapehu as one peak, then, Ngauruhoe, Tongariro and Taranaki seem obvious picks after that. Fanthams Peak did surprise me a little for being on the list, as yes, I'd consider it more just a bump on the way up Naki as well. Sure it's named, but so are all the other peaks on Ruapehu. It's a bit like Girdlestone or even the Great Pinnacle (yet another one!) on Ruapehu in that respect - both peaks on the side of it which are also named, and more prominant.

You may have opened up a can of worms here Vino, but an interesting subject to discuss never-the-less. It would be interesting to see if there is a "top 10" list out there somewhere for fellow nutters to obsess over.

By the way, if you fancy another taste of the white stuff, I can see a winter climb up the south side of 'Naki, taking in Fanthams on the way for you next year if you're keen. Sure beats the scoria!

Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: Jon (aka site admin) on December 08, 2009, 08:32:02 AM
I assume you've seen this list Vino: http://www.peakbagging.co.nz/The-Mountains-of-NZ-Jan-06.pdf (http://www.peakbagging.co.nz/The-Mountains-of-NZ-Jan-06.pdf)  ?

No list by North Island I don't think..... but an answer (of sorts) will be in there if you care to trawl through it....

yes I think prominence is the best way to measure it.... seen this list?  http://www.peaklist.org/WWlists/oceania/New_Zealand_N_600m.html (http://www.peaklist.org/WWlists/oceania/New_Zealand_N_600m.html)

Of course pure prominence is one thing - accessibility is another...  I guess it depends on what you mean by the 'top 10' peaks...?  The highest? The most prominent?  The best views?
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on December 09, 2009, 01:47:54 AM
Jon

Both those lists I have seen, but both have problems in my book

eg, the alpine list has ommissions in my mind eg.  Why is Mt Crawford there but Mt Holdsworth (which is taller) not there?  Must have something to do with their definitions, and prominance needs?

eg the prominance list excludes peaks such as Tongariro.  Defines Ngarauhoe as Tongariro's tallest crater?

its all a big can of worms.  Argue over rules, then there are always exceptions, bla bla

Oh well

Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: Jon (aka site admin) on December 09, 2009, 02:11:27 AM
I think the best way is by 'fame' ... or put better, 'public recognition'

That is, ask most people what North Island mountains they can name - and they'd probably get about as far as Ruapehu, Tongariro, Nguaruhoe, and Taranaki - and maybe Hikurangi.  Pushed further to include tiny hill 'mountains' they know of, they might include Maunganui and Rangitoto, and those with an interest in tramping might start mentioning peaks in the Tararuas, Pinnacles, Waikato volcanoes etc etc...

But yeah, that doesn't answer your first question, which is about height really.  There is something in that alpine list about how they compiled it - I think it was to do with prominence too.

The other thing to throw in, is that possibly, if measured from the seabed, some of our biggest mountains are our offshore islands...   ;D

Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on December 09, 2009, 06:33:35 AM
The North Island list looks a bit dubious. For a start, they've listed Ruapehu's prominence as being the same as it's elevation - that can't be right. To leave out Tongariro is just wrong surely. And what exactly is prominence - in relation to what?

Maybe it all comes down to your own gut feeling - a combination of height, prominence, and your own interpretation of it. There must be some sort of general concensus out there somewhere though!
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on December 09, 2009, 02:20:24 PM
The North Island list looks a bit dubious. For a start, they've listed Ruapehu's prominence as being the same as it's elevation - that can't be right. To leave out Tongariro is just wrong surely. And what exactly is prominence - in relation to what?


I think from memory prominance is defined the vertical climb between the peak in question and the saddle (lowest point) between that peak and the closest peak with a higher elevation

so ruapehu having a prominance as high as its elevation will be correct as the "saddle" is sea level as ruapehu is the highest peak on the island

Ngarauhoe would have its prominance calculated by measuring the vertical climb from the tama saddle to its summit as the closest higher mountain is ruapehu

Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on December 09, 2009, 02:34:43 PM

Maybe it all comes down to your own gut feeling - a combination of height, prominence, and your own interpretation of it. There must be some sort of general concensus out there somewhere though!

To me the top 8 are simple:

Ruapehu
Taranaki
Ngarauhoe
Tongariro
Hikurangi
Managaweka
Makaroko
Kaweka J

After that?  Not sure
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on December 15, 2009, 02:54:53 PM
Ledge, where are you mate? I'm sure you can shed a bit of light on this topic for us!
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on February 05, 2010, 03:35:23 AM
I've just come across the February/March issue of Intrepid magazine from a climbing friend. This is where the Makorako article came from. They list in there the 8 highest peaks, which agrees with your list Vino. But they stop at 8  :(
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on February 06, 2010, 08:18:35 AM
after this weekend only 1 to go out of the top 8 list for me :-)

just that little makorako drive by to deal to?
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on February 15, 2010, 03:08:36 AM
Alpine List attached below for discussion (no copyright breach you can reproduce for non commercial purposes it says)

Most obvious difference is it does not include Tongariro or Ngauruhoe, which differs from my accepted top 8 but hey. So my top 8

1. Ruapehu
2. Taranaki
3. Ngauruhoe
4. Tongariro
5. Hikurangi
6. Mangaweka
7. Makorako
8. Kaweka J

Ignoring variation to alpine list for these, we can at least use it to help us define the next two. The next named peaks after Kaweka on this list are:

9. Karikaringa 1694m asl (Ruapehu/Kaimanawa) Whatever that is, never heard of it. Can you climb it? I think you can from a few trip reports ive scanned on the internet. Seems you leave from the same place as urchin or umakarikari hike. not sure as to whether it is a long day hike or multi. here is a pic taken by pmcke from urchin, perhaps he could comment on getting there if he sees this post :-)

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v424/pmcke/Tramping%20Trips/Waipakahi%20Trip%2017-2-08/?action=view&current=DSC04410_th.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v424/pmcke/Tramping%20Trips/Waipakahi%20Trip%2017-2-08/?action=view&current=DSC04410_th.jpg)

10. Te Atuaoparapara 1687m asl (Eastern Ruahines).  Seen it from Mangaweka and yip you can climb it from Waipawa.  Perhaps a very long day hike but huts along way. The below picture looks impressive!! Looks a good hard day out!

http://tramper.co.nz/?4714 (http://tramper.co.nz/?4714)
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on February 15, 2010, 03:51:22 PM
 Karikaringa is in the Kaimanawas, and does look pretty inviting. You should be able to get to it OK across the tops if you turn off right on your way to Thunderbolt. Could make a nice day walk! See map with Umukarikari route marked to get you oriented.
Looking at the map, an alternative and more direct route may be to river bash up the Waipakihi River, pick a ridge and bush bash up. No doubt there is a track to it though - you may find more info online.
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on February 19, 2010, 09:38:33 AM
I noticed that there is potentially some private land to cross on the direct route up from the river. I checked this out with DOC, but it shouldn't be an issue. Access from the lower Waipakihi is going to be only a couple of k's less than if you go via The Urchin. However it will involve a lot less elevation gain enroute. But then it's probably also going to involve a bush bash up onto the tops (not to mention a river bash to start), so probably much of a muchness whichever way you go.
Sounds like another nice potential peakbagging recce trip... and should be a nice daywalk either way  ;D
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on February 22, 2010, 09:13:36 AM
bush bash and nice in same paragraph? im thinking you got something wrong there!  ;D
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on February 22, 2010, 01:58:20 PM
Yeah after yesterdays futile Makorako attempt which was thwarted by impenetrable bush-bash Hell, I vote we go via the Urchin!
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on February 24, 2010, 09:08:52 AM
As Vino & I were walking back out over Umukarikari in the weekend, we paused to look out over another intended upcoming trip - Karikaringa. We thought that this would be the most obvious peak over the Waipakihi, but were surprised to see what appeared to be an even higher peak further back behind it!

Upon getting back home, Iíve been comparing the photos with the maps and have discovered that it is indeed higher than Karikaringa - by another 24 metres. In fact it is a mere 8m lower than the mighty Makorako herself!

This peak carries the catchy name of 1718 (the elevation) and is listed on the NZ Alpine site. Sorry Vino, I think you may need to revise your top 10 list!

I've marked the maps with the peaks of Urchin, Karikaringa and 1718 to give an idea of scale. In the photo, Karikaringa is in the centre, with 1718 being the pointy one on the right.

It is actually located on private land, but after checking with the authorities involved, access isnít going to be an issue. Apparently the easiest access is from the south entrance off the Desert Rd. Thereís a poled route which follows the NZ Army training border. Then itís just a matter of picking a line off left up and over the tussock. I imagine it would only be around 20km each way, so is still do-able as a day walk  :D

Move over Karikaringa - thereís a new kid in town...

Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on February 24, 2010, 09:16:24 AM
sorry dude, you are gonna have to start a new thread. Subject is "top 10 named peaks"  ;D
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on February 24, 2010, 09:32:56 AM
I just checked my other map, and it does have a name - it's called "Itmustbedone"  ;D
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: GuanoGerbil on February 01, 2011, 04:28:43 PM
Peak 1718 done!  ;D

With Vinodrinker preferring to stay at home and drink vino instead this weekend, it was another solo mission for me.

Since this peak is only 8m lower than the mighty Makorako herself, I thought this one simply had to be ticked off too. Being so prominent, higher and much pointier than the nearby Karikaringa, I canít understand why it doesn't have a slightly catchier 'name'.

I parked at the  top of the Desert Rd. There is a four-wheel drive track from the carpark which you follow initially (donít even try to drive up here). There are marker poles which you vaguely follow along the first half of the route (they hover 20 or 30m away much of the time from where youíre walking).

The terrain is very different to the other parts of the park that Iíve visited Ė here it is mostly through tussock. There are however a couple of nice bush sections, and also some marshy patches. Boots recommended. The trail is sometimes a bit vague (such as the recent fire damaged section in which the markers are burnt to the ground) and the GPS made navigating more reassuring in places.

From studying the map beforehand, I eventually came to the point where I had opted to leave the track and take a shortcut over the ridge to the left. I was delighted to see that this was exactly where the rutted track I was following was leading anyway, even though the markers continued on off to the right Ė this saved a bit of tussock scrambling.

After topping out on the ridge, the view of the route ahead became clear, although the track stopped. There looked to be a vague track going off towards the far right ridge, but this would have added another hour on the time up. So I opted for the direct route straight up. From here it was tussock bashing all the way Ė not difficult, but it slowed things down a little. After refilling my water bottle at the beautiful Little Waipakihi Stream, I started the climb up. The tussock gave way suddenly at 1500m elev, and from here it was wonderfully fast and enjoyable tops travel the rest of the way.

The view from the summit was stunning. It was such a beautiful, still, sunny day and it was an absolutely wonderful place to be. It was quite something to be able to look out over all the places I'd been already in this huge place. And humbling to see Makorako still winking at me oh so far away, and yet realise that this is the same distance away that I started my return walk to call on her just a few weeks ago.

The total return distance was 34km and took me 8.5 hours with a total ascent involved of 1960m.
Title: Re: What are the top 10 named peaks in North Island
Post by: vinodrinker on February 01, 2011, 06:27:32 PM
A decideldly pedestrian walk by your standards Marcus! Looks a good walk dude and wow it even has flat bits!  ;D Nice!!!